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Marvel vs DC Superheroes Clash in WWE Survivor Series Battleworld (Fantasy Fights)

Posted by Anthony Mango - Wednesday, November 29, 2023

What if the characters of Marvel and DC fought in a WWE Survivor Series style pay-per-view?

Welcome to a special FANTASY FIGHTS podcast here on Fanboys Anonymous along with a Fantasy Booking edition of the Smark Out Moment Smack Talk podcast!

This crossover two-part episode takes the concept of the annual Survivor Series event and replaces the WWE Superstars with the superheroes of DC Comics and Marvel instead of the brand warfare "Raw vs. SmackDown" setup.

The red brand of Marvel and the blue brand of DC are put together on Battleworld with general managers Red Brother and Blue Brother in a two-night pay-per-view hosted by Access. This contest of champions will settle brand supremacy once and for all in Secret Wars!

This event is so big that it had to be broken up over two nights, so if you want to find out what matches were booked, how the card plays out and who comes out on top, be sure to check out these two podcasts below and subscribe on the different platforms that you can find these episodes!

Bonus: If you are on the Darkcast tier on Smark Out Moment's Patreon (or YouTube membership) or the Bonus Features tier on the Fanboys Anonymous Patreon (or YouTube membership), you can check out a special Episode #3 of this, with a different card lineup based on the WWE Survivor Series: WarGames concept instead of the traditional elimination matches!

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THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY - 100 RECORDS FROM THE WAYNE FOUNDATION ARCHIVES tells the entire history of Bruce Wayne and the Batman character as part of THE BLUEPRINT PROJECT created by Anthony Mango.

The Batman Blueprint incorporates references, storylines, characters and interpretations from all previous versions of the Batman franchise to tell the most absolute complete version of this story possible. The goal is to create a gold standard bible for both diehard fans and casual audiences.

For this entry, Tony Mango presents a dramatic reading and pitch synopsis of the fifth chapter in this tale, called Bat Out of Hell. Picking up from Chapter 1 (Why Do We Fall?) and Chapter 2 (The Big Chill), and Chapter 3 (Guilt Trip) and Chapter 4 (Head of the Demon), a heartbroken Bruce Wayne has rejected The League of Shadows and decided to return to Gotham City to start his vigilante career as The Batman. But how can he forge this identity and in what state of chaos is the Gotham he's returning to after all these years?

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Volume 1: Gotham Guardian - Chapter 5: Bat Out of Hell

The Batman Blueprint and all these superhero stories from The Blueprint Project are outlines in progress with the intent to become full-fledged works with the backing of DC Comics and the other production companies associated with these intellectual properties.

At the moment, they are not in any direct association with those entities. But with your support, these pitches could become a reality. So help spread the word by sharing this with the hashtags #BatmanBlueprint and #HireMangoDCComics, tag @DCOfficial and @Batman as well as @JamesGunn, along with other creators, people who have worked on Batman projects and films and television shows in the past, comic artists, and especially your friends and family! The more you share this, the better chances the right eyes will get on it and this can be a true adaptation, eventually.

Stay tuned for more from THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY.

THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY - 100 RECORDS FROM THE WAYNE FOUNDATION ARCHIVES tells the entire history of Bruce Wayne and the Batman character as part of THE BLUEPRINT PROJECT created by Anthony Mango.

The Batman Blueprint incorporates references, storylines, characters and interpretations from all previous versions of the Batman franchise to tell the most absolute complete version of this story possible. The goal is to create a gold standard bible for both diehard fans and casual audiences.

For this entry, Tony Mango presents a dramatic reading and pitch synopsis of the fourth chapter in this tale, called Head of the Demon. Picking up from Chapter 1 (Why Do We Fall?), Chapter 2 (The Big Chill), and Chapter 3 (Guilt Trip), Bruce Wayne has traveled the globe learning from various people and caught the attention of The League of Shadows. With an offer to join the society of assassins, Bruce learns the backstory of the organization, its leader Ra's al Ghul, and falls in love as he takes his final steps toward becoming The Batman—but must watch his footing along the way to ensure he doesn't fall into darkness.

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Volume 1: Gotham Guardian - Chapter 4: Head of the Demon

The Batman Blueprint and all these superhero stories from The Blueprint Project are outlines in progress with the intent to become full-fledged works with the backing of DC Comics and the other production companies associated with these intellectual properties.

At the moment, they are not in any direct association with those entities. But with your support, these pitches could become a reality. So help spread the word by sharing this with the hashtags #BatmanBlueprint and #HireMangoDCComics, tag @DCOfficial and @Batman as well as @JamesGunn, along with other creators, people who have worked on Batman projects and films and television shows in the past, comic artists, and especially your friends and family! The more you share this, the better chances the right eyes will get on it and this can be a true adaptation, eventually.

Stay tuned for more from THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY.

THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY - 100 RECORDS FROM THE WAYNE FOUNDATION ARCHIVES tells the entire history of Bruce Wayne and the Batman character as part of THE BLUEPRINT PROJECT created by Anthony Mango.

The Batman Blueprint incorporates references, storylines, characters and interpretations from all previous versions of the Batman franchise to tell the most absolute complete version of this story possible. The goal is to create a gold standard bible for both diehard fans and casual audiences.

For this entry, Tony Mango presents a dramatic reading and pitch synopsis of the third chapter in this tale, called Guilt Trip. Picking up from Chapter 1 (Why Do We Fall?) and Chapter 2 (The Big Chill), Bruce Wayne has deserted Gotham City and is stowing away on a container ship, heading off to an unknown location. Wrestling with the shame of having almost shot Joe Chill to get revenge for the death of his parents, Bruce is on a journey of self-discovery to travel the world and train his mind, body and soul while forging the future identity of The Batman.

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Volume 1: Gotham Guardian - Chapter 3: Guilt Trip

The Batman Blueprint and all these superhero stories from The Blueprint Project are outlines in progress with the intent to become full-fledged works with the backing of DC Comics and the other production companies associated with these intellectual properties.

At the moment, they are not in any direct association with those entities. But with your support, these pitches could become a reality. So help spread the word by sharing this with the hashtags #BatmanBlueprint and #HireMangoDCComics, tag @DCOfficial and @Batman as well as @JamesGunn, along with other creators, people who have worked on Batman projects and films and television shows in the past, comic artists, and especially your friends and family! The more you share this, the better chances the right eyes will get on it and this can be a true adaptation, eventually.

Stay tuned for more from THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY.

As part of THE BLUEPRINT PROJECT—where Anthony Mango seeks to take the entire history of every adaptation of a series and condense it into the gold standard bible version of the story with as many references as possible—one of the biggest adaptations is focused on THE MIGHTY MORPHIN' POWER RANGERS.

This Power Rangers Blueprint is dubbed ABSOLUTE POWER RANGERS: A MIGHTY MORPHIN' EPIC and is a 14 part series (12 feature films and 2 short films) telling the full story of the dawn of time and the backstory of Zordon, Rita and Lord Zedd as well as the fight against evil starring our core team of Tommy the Green Ranger/White Ranger, Jason the Red Ranger, Kimberly the Pink Ranger, Billy the Blue Ranger, Trini the Yellow Ranger and Zack the Black Ranger.

Check out this pitch video detailing some of the project in the hopes that Hasbro will be interested in producing this adaptation, and if you are fond of this concept, please help get more eyes on it by sharing this on social media, message boards, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter and more!

The Power Rangers Blueprint and all stories from The Blueprint Project are outlines in progress with the intent to become full-fledged works with the backing of other production companies associated with these intellectual properties.

At the moment, they are not in any direct association with those entities. But with your support, these pitches could become a reality. So help spread the word by sharing this with the hashtags #PowerRangersBlueprint and #MMPRBlueprint, tag @Hasbro and @PowerRangers as well as other artists, creators, friends, family and more.

THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY - 100 RECORDS FROM THE WAYNE FOUNDATION ARCHIVES tells the entire history of Bruce Wayne and the Batman character as part of THE BLUEPRINT PROJECT created by Anthony Mango.

The Batman Blueprint incorporates references, storylines, characters and interpretations from all previous versions of the Batman franchise to tell the most absolute complete version of this story possible. The goal is to create a gold standard bible for both diehard fans and casual audiences.

For this entry, Tony Mango presents a dramatic reading and pitch synopsis of the second chapter in this tale, called Big Chill. Picking up from Chapter 1 (Why Do We Fall?), Thomas and Martha Wayne have been killed by Joe Chill and Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth must deal with the fallout of the funeral and their new relationship as adopted son and father. Bruce's inability to cope with his new life causes concerns after his poor coping mechanisms and depression affect his schooling, causing him to get into fights. While he picks up some friends along the way like Harvey Dent, he is proving himself incapable of developing a romantic relationship and after becoming even more disillusioned about the state of crime in Gotham City, Bruce starts to go down a dark, vengeful path and almost makes the biggest mistake of his life.

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Volume 1: Gotham Guardian - Chapter 2: The Big Chill

The Batman Blueprint and all these superhero stories from The Blueprint Project are outlines in progress with the intent to become full-fledged works with the backing of DC Comics and the other production companies associated with these intellectual properties.

At the moment, they are not in any direct association with those entities. But with your support, these pitches could become a reality. So help spread the word by sharing this with the hashtags #BatmanBlueprint and #HireMangoDCComics, tag @DCOfficial and @Batman as well as other artists, creators, friends, family and more.

Stay tuned for more from THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY.

THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY - 100 RECORDS FROM THE WAYNE FOUNDATION ARCHIVES tells the entire history of Bruce Wayne and the Batman character as part of THE BLUEPRINT PROJECT created by Anthony Mango.

The Batman Blueprint incorporates references, storylines, characters and interpretations from all previous versions of the Batman franchise to tell the most absolute complete version of this story possible. The goal is to create a gold standard bible for both diehard fans and casual audiences. IE, this is The Batman Bible to learn everything there is about The Caped Crusader.

For this entry, Tony Mango presents a dramatic reading and pitch synopsis of the first chapter in this tale, breaking down the night Bruce Wayne's life changed forever with the murder of his parents, Thomas Wayne and Martha Wayne, and the infamous events with Joe Chill in Park Row that would set our protagonist on a journey to becoming the mythological Batman vigilante.

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Volume 1: Gotham Guardian - Chapter 1: Why Do We Fall:

The Batman Blueprint and all these superhero stories from The Blueprint Project are outlines in progress with the intent to become full-fledged works with the backing of DC Comics and the other production companies associated with these intellectual properties.

At the moment, they are not in any direct association with those entities. But with your support, these pitches could become a reality. So help spread the word by sharing this with the hashtags #BatmanBlueprint and #HireMangoDCComics, tag @DCOfficial and @Batman as well as other artists, creators, friends, family and more.

Stay tuned for more from THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY.

Batman is a franchise that has been around for nearly 100 years. It is almost impossible to watch all the films and every episode of the television series, as well as read all the comics at this point.

But what if someone were to condense all that—combine as many big and little details as possible and form the most cohesive outline of the Bruce Wayne character ever created—all in just 100 stories?

That is the goal of THE BATMAN BLUEPRINT—one of many parts of THE BLUEPRINT PROJECT created by Anthony Mango.

The official name of this Batman series is THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY which will consist of 10 volumes of story arcs that tell the most comprehensive version of Batman by mixing elements from everything that has come before.

Big stories like A Death in the Family and The Long Halloween are adapted with original stories and new twists. The entire Bat Family is represented, as well as every villain and supporting character imaginable, whether they're crucial to the overall series like Alfred Pennyworth or extremely minor like Nick and Eddie from the beginning of Tim Burton's Batman 89.

This concept is huge, so here is a pitch video to explain what this is all about:

The Batman Blueprint and all these superhero stories from The Blueprint Project are outlines in progress with the intent to become full-fledged works with the backing of DC Comics and the other production companies associated with these intellectual properties.

At the moment, they are not in any direct association with those entities. But with your support, these pitches could become a reality. So help spread the word by sharing this with the hashtags #BatmanBlueprint and #HireMangoDCComics, tag @DCComics and @Batman as well as other artists, creators, friends, family and more.

Stay tuned for more information and the initial breakdowns of the first few chapters of THE BATMAN: A KNIGHT-TIME STORY.

Mary Jane Watson is one of the most iconic love interests in the entire superhero genre. She's a core staple of the Spider-Man franchise—arguably the top female lead—and recognizable to even casual fans.

But despite being such an important, influential and noteworthy character, she's struggling to find her place in the modern day version of the Spider-Man mythos, to the point that I have to ask who is she anymore?

What is Mary Jane Watson's character these days?

Who is Mary Jane Watson?? Isn't It Obvious??

At first glance, you might be asking yourself what I'm even asking. Clearly, she's "Peter Parker's girlfriend/wife" and that's her role in the story. Duh.

But the damsel in distress trope has been dying out over the years. Rightfully so, might I add. Fans demand more effort to be put into stories so characters—typically more so women—are not just trophies that have to be saved by the hero and do nothing but get captured, shriek for help and plant a kiss on our protagonist to thank him.

They need to be actual characters with definable traits to make them interesting, much in the same way that the best antagonists are more than just "the villain" of a story, but can be explained in more detail.

Norman Osborn is an emotionally neglectful, sometimes downright physically abusive when not absentee father to Peter Parker's best friend, Harry Osborn. In some ways, Norman is a father figure to Peter and a representation of what Peter could turn into if he allowed his intelligence to get the better of him and corrupt into arrogance. When Norman goes in over his head with pride and ego and obsession, it backfires on him, leading to his transformation into the insane Green Goblin.

That's character. He's not just some guy on a glider chucking bombs that Spider-Man needs to punch. Hence why no one's favorite villain in this series is Jack O'Lantern, who is effectively the same exact gimmick across the board. And this version of Norman has only had some tweaks here and there, but has remained largely the same character since the start.

So explain to me who Mary Jane Watson is these days.

Mary Jane Watson vs. Other Love Interests

Again, yes, she's Peter's love interest. But so are dozens of others. For a dork that gets picked on and has painfully bad relationships, Peter slays. He's tasted the full rainbow and has no shortage of notches on his belt.

Peter Parker's love interests list is so long that Ranker stops at a top 20, not including Indira Daimonji, Lian Tang, Sally Avril, etc.

Most of those are pretty pointless, if we're being honest. There isn't anything about Debra Whitman that stands out as special compared to Gwen Stacy that you couldn't just merge those two characters and be fine with it.

So perhaps an even better comparison than the villain equivalent with Norman Osborn is to judge Mary Jane Watson against another love interest in Felicia Hardy, aka Black Cat.

With Felicia, you're getting a vigilante. That offers Peter a reflection point where fans can look at her character in relation to Spider-Man and see why they are together as well as why they have issues. They have a commonality in their masked personas and adventures, but they differ greatly on their morality. She's often a criminal, whereas Peter is by the books good.

Who is Mary Jane in reflection to Peter?

Your answer can't be "the hot girl that Peter normally wouldn't be able to get" because that could apply to virtually any of them. Mary Jane is confident and sexy, but so is Felicia Hardy. Both are drawn with a big chest and perfect bodies and so on and so forth. They all are. But their attitudes are very much both the "spunky one" to counteract Peter, making that part redundant, along with how Mary Jane is "the cheerleader from school" at times, but so are many other characters like Liz Allan and Sally Avril.

To be fair, from someone's perspective who hasn't read all these comics, it isn't just Mary Jane who suffers from this copy/paste problem. Not only do we not need 15 different Green Goblin knockoffs, we also don't need Carlie Cooper as the love interest whose father is a cop when we have Gwen Stacy whose father is Captain George Stacy, for instance.

Back to Black Cat, take Catwoman into consideration. Selina Kyle's relationship with Bruce Wayne and the whole vigilante/Batman idea is the same situation, which makes a character like Vicki Vale stand out as an entirely different love interest for Bruce. Vale is a reporter who could expose Bruce's secret identity.

Hence why we have Betty Brant for Spider-Man. She's the Vicki Vale, in some ways. Not exactly, obviously, but there are some parallels. As well as the whole Gwen Stacy having a cop for a father idea.

So if she can't just be the hot girl or the sexy and confident knockout to prove he hit the jackpot when he could just as easily get with Felicia Hardy or many others...who is Mary Jane?

Mary Jane isn't the smart and nerdy girl who Peter sees himself in, like Indira, Debra, sometimes Gwen, etc. Does that make her the dumb one to offset how intelligent he is? Yikes!

If you're judging a book by its cover and saying "but she's the redhead", then that's sad—and even that isn't always true, sadly.

How the Superhero Genre Adapts Over Time

As these superhero stories last decades, aspects of their stories need to change as time goes on.

Sometimes, the entire character is given a full reboot to be something different, like how Jaime Reyes is a much more different Blue Beetle than Ted Kord. Other times, like the Dan Garrett transition to Ted Kord, or with all the Green Lanterns or most of the Flash characters, they have a new person behind the mask, but many of the core elements remain the same.

Superman used to not be able to fly, but that eventually became the most iconic part about him. Batman used to use guns until it was the central character trait that he not only didn't use them, but also didn't kill at all.

In the same way that you don't see Clark Kent change his clothes in a phone booth since they don't exist anymore, and Superman isn't "more powerful than a locomotive" now that trains aren't as prominent, Peter Parker has gone through similar changes.

Modern day Spider-Man doesn't function 100% the same as what it used to be, outside of the origin story of getting bitten by a spider that has something weird about it (frequently not radioactive anymore; sometimes the origin of the lab can be Oscorp or another place), failing to stop Uncle Ben's killer (sometimes after a wrestling match, sometimes other details), and taking on the motto that "with great power comes great responsibility."

But look at J. Jonah Jameson and how much he's changed since even the Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire movies!!

Technology has completely altered the way that character functions in just the span of 10 years, even, as no emphasis was put on this for the Andrew Garfield series, since many elements had already become outdated.

Nobody reads newspapers anymore, and Peter cannot be a photographer who sells pictures of himself to Jameson because everyone has cell phones and reads their news digitally. Hence why Jameson is now an Alex Jones type who is more likely to pop up on a YouTube channel ranting about Spider-Man—the fundamental aspect of his character that has maintained over time—than to be Peter's boss.

I think the franchise still hasn't quite settled on what Peter's alternative job is. They seem keen on making him a professor and/or scientist, but that doesn't work for the younger teenager. Sometimes, he could be a lab assistant, I guess, yet if he's doing that job, you'd wonder how they could maintain the money struggle aspect of the character that has been one of his major problems.

Going back to Mary Jane, she was brought onto the scene as a gag. Aunt May wanted to set him up with her, and he kept dodging that, until it turned out she was actually this smoking hot sassy girl. Jackpot indeed, especially if you found the goody two-shoes Gwen to be boring, right?

In the Maguire films, wherein Gwen isn't a factor until appearing pretty much in name only in the awful third film, Mary Jane is upgraded to the literal "girl next door" trope that Peter's been in love with since they were kids, but was always out of his reach, as she's the hot popular girl and he's the shy nerd.

That makes sense and is a massive step forward, but it has a limited shelf-life. That's why her character is only ever still an object of affection to be obtained. That carries over into the second film, because she has no character beyond that. If she's not "the one Peter is going after", who is she? The model who can't act? That's an unnecessary side plot we don't care about any more than if we found out Wonder Woman's love interest Steve Trevor has a fantasy football team.

Everything needs to be in service of the driving the main character's story along.

This is why Lois Lane is such an important part of the Superman story. She's feisty while Clark isn't. Clark is more of the book smart nerd who can be naive, while Lois struggles with spelling, but is incredibly street smart and intuitive. Lois is more of a cynic, while Clark is more hopeful. He's otherworldly and she grounds him. Plus, she's got the whole reporter/superhero dynamic, too, giving her two functions inside the story for both Clark and Kal-El.

Where Does That Leave Mary Jane Watson in the 2020s?

Lois Lane is a good way to transition to modern day Mary Jane, as it seems this is what their inspiration was for the most recent video game series and some of the Ultimate series.

MJ was positioned as the one who works for the Daily Bugle, not Peter. Now, she's an investigative journalist, who is filling the Lois role of looking into things behind the scenes to further the plot along.

Gone are the "super hot confident model/actress" traits, because those are surface-level and have nothing to do with being an investigative journalist reporter type.

Outside of not just being named Lois Lane, this version of MJ might as well be an entirely different character—not that we need any more, especially since this also could have more easily just been Betty Brant if that were the case.

They seem bent on the journalist character, as that's carried over even into the Ultimate Spider-Man show, where it seems (I haven't watched it all) that she's not even really a factor, just like how they avoided MJ in The Amazing Spider-Man in favor of Gwen (minus some deleted scene content), and it seems as though Spectacular Spider-Man just has her as another hot popular cheerleader side character and nothing more, correct?

But let's talk about the MCU version and how awful that character is.

First off, she's not even Mary Jane Watson. She's Michelle Jones, referred to at the end of the first film as MJ, and then once more retroactively given the surname Jones-Watson to be MJ-Watson.

Mary Jane is one of the most iconic redhead characters out there, alongside others like Black Widow, The Little Mermaid Ariel, Daphne Blake from Scooby-Doo, Poison Ivy, Jessica Rabbit and April O'Neil.

Naturally, they got rid of that, along with the name.

As far as her character is concerned, she's a cynical joyless pseudo-friend (basically acquaintance at best) in the background of Homecoming while Peter is interested in Liz Toomes (who is one of many "not really the character Liz Allan, but whatever, we messed up a bunch of these; just look at Betty and Flash and...)

At no point in the first film does Peter have any real flirtation with Michelle, who I've long maintained should have been Michele Gonzales instead, to keep that up.

Suddenly, in the second film, he's head over heels for her. Why? No reason. He just is. There isn't anything explaining what it is about her that he likes. He's just madly in love. Okay. Whatever.

That carries over into the third film and that's about it.

But for argument's sake, let's say the franchise wanted to take aspects of this version of the character and incorporate that into the overall Mary Jane Watson concept. That would mean she would be, at best, a very smart (Gwen/Debra/Indira/etc) classmate (too many to name) who has a darker personality  compared to Peter (Felicia) and....that's it.

"You're a deeply mistrusting person, and I respect that."

As far as a reinvention, this doesn't really check off many boxes necessary to stand the test of time.

So Who SHOULD Mary Jane Watson Be?

As far as I'm concerned, taking Superman as the template, we need to sort out Peter Parker's love life with the pros and cons—or, the reflections that are positive versus the reflections that are too negative for him to end up with that person.

Felicia Hardy has the darker reflection gimmick down. She's also more of the sex appeal and is the object of pure lust in many ways. She's the thrill and the vigilante with the passion and burns red hot, but the flame dies quickly. Take that "hot girl" angle away from Mary Jane Watson.

Betty Brant has the coworker at the Daily Bugle thing down. She's a receptionist, but making her a reporter isn't a stretch. There's your Vicki Vale and Lois Lane tropes. Take that away from Mary Jane.

Gwen is the "girl next door" in the sense of being the "good girl" heart rather than the literal next door neighbor, but might as well be if you're merging the characters together. She also happens to have a cop father, and can often be written as Peter's intellectual equal. Take those away from Mary Jane.

You're left with a few character tropes that can merge a lot of characters into just a few roles:

  1. The hot popular girl who Peter fawns over, but she doesn't look at him that way because he's a shy nerd. = Liz Allan, Sally Avril, etc
  2. The temptation vigilante bad girl that Peter can't help but to be into, but he knows it won't work out in the end = Felicia Hardy
  3. The coworker, classmate, or roommate who is a byproduct of just being around them = Michele Gonzales, Betty Brant, many schoolmates and such
  4. The good girl, girl-next-door who is emotionally supportive = Gwen Stacy, Mary Jane sometimes, etc
  5. The intellectual equal = Gwen at times, Debra, Indira, Lian Tang, etc
  6. The unfortunate daughter of a cop which offsets Peter as a vigilante = Gwen, Carlie (this trope would also apply if Jameson ever had a daughter Peter was involved in)

I feel like the only way to have your cake and eat it, too, with how this franchise is trying to make Mary Jane fill the Lois Lane role is to lean less into the investigative journalism side and make her the photographer who works at The Daily Bugle. That goes with the modeling and actress thing, too. But then, you almost have to make her someone who is chasing Spider-Man for clout, rather than someone Peter's lusting over.

Maybe that's the evolution of the character, making her less of Peter Parker's ultimate endgame girl he ends up with, and more of another failed romance like Felicia Hardy.

And that brings me to a revelation that I didn't have until recently. All these years, I've remained staunch that MJ is Peter's true love, but I'm realizing that's just a bias I have because I grew up with the animated series and the Maguire films.

In reality, I think I've come full circle to thinking Gwen Stacy is Peter's true love.

She just works better as a more fully-fleshed out character with more avenues, being the intellectual equal and supportive girl next door with a cop father which makes sense why she'd be more willing to put up with his heroism, because she understands what it's like, having had a father who fought crime.

Otherwise, what role does Mary Jane serve but to be the backup option after Gwen dies who is just another supportive girlfriend and physical object of his affection who can't contribute to the story without being a Lois Lane ripoff, in need of rescuing from peril, and/or just arguing with Peter to create unnecessary tension and proving they aren't actually a good couple?

Or, you can just judge a book by its cover and say Mary Jane Watson is the redhead who dates Spider-Man and this long-winded wall of text that I wrote up at 4am is just a fan geeking out too much over the specifics and I should go to bed, right?

Welcome to another edition of MOUNT RUSHMORE, where we will be taking on the task of picking four people to best represent the pillars of a specific corner of geek culture.

This time around, our focus will be surrounding the theme of Spider-Man's rogues gallery. Despite being a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, Peter Parker has some of the most amazing enemies in the history of media. The Webslinger just can't catch a break. But who are the four best Spider-Man villains of all time?

The panelists for the Fanboys Anonymous podcast will present their own lists and their reasons why they chose their options to be the representational figureheads of this topic, with the goal being to reach a consensus to make up the definitive list.

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RIP William Hurt: Pitch for Thunderbolt Ross's Future in the MCU

Posted by Anthony Mango - Monday, March 14, 2022

The Marvel Cinematic Universe and the acting community as a whole lost William Hurt this week at the age of 71.

Within this geek culture living space, immediately, I saw the reaction of "What are they going to do about General Ross in the MCU? Is there still going to be a Thunderbolts without William Hurt? Will they recast?"

I am far from a Hulk specialist or an authority on comics, so take what I say with a grain of salt as someone who is more on the "above average, but not an expert" level, but here are my general thoughts of what I think should and will happen with the future of the MCU in regards to General Thunderbolt Ross.

Recast or Retire?

Whenever there is a situation like this, one question is always whether or not they should just recast the part. I'm of the opinion that there is no definitive yes/no that applies to all scenarios, and you have to take each one in a case-by-case basis.

If the actor is still around, I think it's almost a guarantee you should just recast. For instance, Edward Norton's replacement with Mark Ruffalo for Bruce Banner. If the actor has passed away, it's a little trickier.

It may be controversial, but I've always been an advocate of recasting T'challa for Black Panther, rather than trying to figure out a way around that. Then again, I'm not the type of person who should be passing judgment, for a multitude of reasons.

But in this scenario, I don't think Thunderbolt Ross should be recast. That's because it's much easier to retire the character than it is to change Black Panther and undo that character development.

With Ross, while he's integral to maintaining continuity in the MCU, I think his character has had enough growth and can be replaced with other similar parts.

How Do You Move On?

We don't know yet what capacity Ross figured into She-Hulk or any other projects going forward. Only Marvel knows that right now. So without knowing that information and having the benefit of hindsight, we can only speculate.

My prediction is that he was going to be in She-Hulk, but only as a minor character to be an overseer of the Hulk lineage in general. He has history with all parties and would be invested in the potential of a "new Hulk" being created.

I do not think he was going to be Red Hulk. We'll address that in a bit.

If this wasn't already the plan, I think part of the story for She-Hulk should be that people are experimenting on Banner's DNA and still not learning the lessons that attempting to recreate the Super Soldier serum is going to end in disaster. While something will happen to Jennifer Walters that will result in her getting a blood transfusion or whatever the case that triggers her transformation, plenty other people won't be as lucky.

Here's what I would do, and what I think (in some form) and what I hope Marvel is doing.

General Ross is an overseer of these projects on behalf of the government, but he's not directly-directly involved. As in, he's not in the same position he was in The Incredible Hulk, but he still has an investment, as the government will always want to have some sort of weapon like this in their control. His attempt was Blonsky, and we'll see Abomination. We might even see The Leader as a consultant. Hopefully, Rick Jones is there (and maybe even a primary love interest?) but that's deviating from the focus here of Ross.

His replacement as the true overseer of this project should be General John Ryker, who can be conducting experiments on a number of poor souls. Someone in the project should be Dr. Geoffrey Crawford (Ravage). Two unfortunate volunteers for the trials who end up failed monsters are Dennis Sykes and Private Benjamin "Benny" Tibbets, aka Flux.

But the ultimate goal is to get us to...

Red Hulk

Thunderbolt Ross doesn't need to be Red Hulk. I know he was in the comics, but he doesn't need to be in the MCU. Some elements of the MCU are just flat out different, for better or worse. I'm personally much more of a fan of Ultron being a Tony Stark invention than anything related to Hank Pym, and I hated the fake Mandarin twist, for examples of both scenarios.

Red Hulk can be a number of other people instead of Ross, but I think our best candidates are two-fold: General Robert L. Maverick and Glenn Talbot.

I'd lean more toward Maverick. He actually does go by Red Hulk in the comics and he's a new character that hasn't been brought into the mix. As a general, he can be "trusted" to undergo the procedure to become Red Hulk and work with the government, so that makes sense.

Talbot is an option, but he's a little trickier. We've seen him before in the Ang Lee film and in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., which hasn't been canonized, but might be. I don't think it will, for the record. I think they'll write that off as being a variant universe where there could be crossovers and some of the same continuity might have happened, but the bulk of it isn't, so that the MCU proper isn't beholden to aspects of the show. We've seen a different Darkhold already, we'll see a different Ghost Rider and so on, but if they ever want to incorporate FitzSimmons to get the audience to pop, they can.

Talbot can work well if he's also tied to Walters in some fashion. He tends to work well as a character who can be a romantic rival of sorts, and since Bruce and Jennifer obviously are related and won't be having that kind of dynamic, Talbot could be more so a romantic interest for her who turns bad.

If not just because Maverick actually was Red Hulk in the comics, though, I'd go for him.

The Thunderbolts

Finally, at the end of this, we should end up with a Thunderbolts team and show or movie. But how does that happen without Thunderbolt Ross?

Simple. The team is named in honor of him, with him having started the project.

Think of it like S.H.I.E.L.D. being partially named in honor of Steve Rogers and the Captain America shield. It can be said that Ross was responsible for creating this division that would lead into this team, so they've decided to name them The Thunderbolts in his name after he's passed away.

Valentina Allegra de Fontaine should be the leader of this unit. She's already established as filling a similar role, the audience knows her, and Julia Louis-Dreyfus is a big name actress who can help draw attention to the show or film. She already has a history with John Walker, who should definitely be on the team, and it's the easiest transition possible.

RIP William Hurt

What do you think will happen with this character? What are your favorite moments from William Hurt's career in and out of the MCU? Drop your thoughts in the comments below!

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When it comes to comics and the superhero genre, death is referred to as a "revolving door" where no one really stays dead.

Naturally, there are exceptions. For the most part, Uncle Ben is never brought back, nor are Thomas and Martha Wayne. At least, not in a real way. It's always a dream, some other dimension, an Elseworlds story or something along those lines.

That goes for most other big changes to characters. It's rare to have Dick Grayson transition from Robin to Nightwing, Bucky to come back to life as Winter Soldier and so on, and people actually accept it. More often than not, if you try to replace Peter Parker with Ben Reilly, it just doesn't work, which is why no one ever thought Doctor Octopus was stuck in Peter's body forever.

In regards to The Joker—one of the most maniacal, horrific characters in all of fiction, let alone narrowing it down to just DC—people always ask "Why doesn't someone just kill him?"

Of course why not? The guy murders TONS of people every time he does anything. But DC will never kill him off, nor would he ever say dead for good. Every time he seems to have met his end, it's always some ruse where they never find his body and he's escaped so he can pull more hijinks down the line.

But what if DC decided to have a definitive end to Joker by actually cutting the cord? Whether it actually stuck forever or was just as temporary as Jean Grey's or Superman's death, or even the longer ones, it's interesting to think about. That's why people gravitate to stories like Injustice with Superman killing Joker for having manipulated him into killing Lois Lane and their child.

So let's dive into this thought experiment. Theoretically, if Joker were to be put down for good, who should do it? Which character has the right to be the one to do the deed? Who gets the honor and bears the burden of killing Joker once and for all?

What if Joker died? Who should pull the trigger?

Batman = No

We have to start examining things with Batman, naturally. He's the main character, after all, who has the deepest ties to Joker.

Their rivalry is epic. It's not just some decades-long multimedia war, but something that is complex. Some people interpret their battles as two diametrically opposed polar opposites. They're two sides of the same coin where one is crazy and bright and cheerful and evil, while the other is also crazy, but dark, brooding and heroic.

Some people interpret their story as struggling lovers. Others consider it an ethics discussion. It's all over the place, but there are usually common themes.

Joker is obsessed with Batman. It might not be as reciprocated, but Bruce definitely has a certain respect and fear for Joker above all other villains. Even Bane doesn't elicit the same response, and he's done some awful things to the family.

But it's Joker who pushes Batman to break his no-killing rule and nearly succeeds on a regular basis. So is that how this ends? Does Bruce finally snap, kill Joker and be done with it?

I think the only way you justify that is if you want your story to be a tragedy in a "no turning back from this, ever" type of scenario. Once Batman kills someone, that's it. He can no longer not be a killer. Joker would be the one to be the most justified in murdering (outside of someone like Darkseid, but aliens don't really count based on parademons and such). If you want the story of Bruce Wayne to end with his incorruptible moral compass being corrupted to prove that no one is immune to the horrors of the world, then pull an Alan Moore and tell us why you think there's no hope for humankind and be all depressed.

I'm not that type. I hate people in a lot of ways and I think there are some absolutely disgusting, atrocious humans on this planet that shouldn't be here, but I don't think every story needs to be doom and gloom.

I prefer my Batman to be the type of person who gets up whenever he's knocked down. Give me the "No matter what, I'm still not going to let you win" type of Batman. He should figure out another way to beat Joker and stop him from hurting anyone else other than to just become a killer like the other criminals.

Jason Todd = Maybe...but No

It's hard to find an argument for why Jason Todd shouldn't be the one to kill Joker. After all, Joker killed him, so fair's fair, right? Joker beat him with a crowbar and blew him up, which scarred him forever. Even after being resurrected, Jason's adopted the Red Hood moniker as a twisted bit of devotion toward this, which shows he isn't moving past it.

Recently, in the story of the three Jokers, Jason got a measure of revenge by killing one of them, hoping it was the one who killed him. After all these years, he deserved to do that, and I'm glad they had him pull the trigger, even if I'm 100% convinced there aren't actually three Jokers and whatnot, so it won't be a true act of vengeance.

But here's where I argue Jason shouldn't be the one to officially kill the real Joker. What does that accomplish? He kills the guy who killed him. Okay. He doesn't actually get to go back in time and stop all that from happening. Those scars are still there. Jason's already crossed the line of being a murderer, so it's not likely he can be redeemed in a way where he's totally pure or anything, but there comes a time where all that killing doesn't amount to anything on its own. Hell, he can continue to kill other crooks even after Joker's death and it doesn't mean anything for his own journey, positive or negative.

The real way to get past it is getting past it. Jason certainly shouldn't forgive Joker by any means, of course. That's not the same as moving on. But he should come to terms with what happened and turn that into more of a positive in some fashion, rather than just getting blunt revenge eye-for-an-eye style.

I'd rather see Jason's conclusion via Joker being that he stops being Red Hood and illustrates that he's more than just "the Robin that was killed by Joker" by becoming his own hero a la Dick Grayson becoming Nightwing. What name should that be? No idea. Jason was Wingman at one point, but I find that name pretty damn lame. But that's a discussion for another article. The point remains that if Jason moves on from calling himself Red Hood to calling himself something more aligned with the rest of the family—even if he's still a killer, which is okay to be the most brutal that does the things Bruce and others refuse to do—that's the real win over Joker, rather than just killing him.

Barbara Gordon = No

Babs is even weaker of an argument, in my mind, than Jason. She comes from a similar background as far as why, but has even less grounds.

Barbara was shot and paralyzed by Joker. That's horrendous. She's overcome it and is back to being Batgirl, but being wheelchair-bound and becoming Oracle is tied to her character forever, to the point that most stories, if they're able to go down that road, does a retelling of Killing Joke.

Naturally, Barbara has every right to kill Joker for that. But I don't think she's the type to get her revenge in that fashion.

I've never interpreted Barbara as having more of a vicious side to her than Jason, do you? And since Jason was actually killed by Joker, instead of just paralyzed, he has more of a willingness to pull the trigger and more of a reason to.

Barbara is harder to corrupt. She shouldn't throw that all away just to kill Joker. That's evidenced by the recent comics, too, with her condemning Jason's actions and considering him a criminal they need to bring in just like everyone else.

Good for you, Babs. Don't go down that road. Her revenge on Joker isn't something I've been able to wrap my mind around. It's not good enough to simply walk again. He'd just scoff at that like "I guess I didn't do a good enough job" and move on with his day. I think she'd have to outsmart him in some fashion that really stings...but that's another story for another article.

Harley Quinn = Yes?

If one woman is getting revenge on Joker, justifiably, it's Harley Quinn. This girl's been put through the ringer and I think it's actually difficult to think of an argument for why she shouldn't be the one to kill him.

Think about it. Even if her life was messed up before she met Joker (which in some tellings, it isn't), he wrapped her around his finger, had her lose her job, lose her sanity, sometimes bleach her skin, turned her into a killer and he's constantly abusive in every way possible.

Joker offers NOTHING good for Harley, but she keeps going back to him. She's a textbook example of so many real life cases, just turned up to 11. It's sad and it's not the type of thing any couple should be like "wow, I wish we were like Joker and Harley". No you don't! Just because you liked Sleepy Hollow and A Nightmare Before Christmas and you vibe more with skeletons at Halloween than snowmen in December doesn't mean you should ever want someone physically, emotionally and mentally abusive in your life like Joker.

This guy is scum. Pure evil. At best, he loves Harley because she cared and he's treating her terribly to where he doesn't deserve her. He may love her because he's turned her into something that fits his mold, instead of loving who she is. But most likely, he doesn't love her at all. Punchline will find that out.

Harley's character has broken off from Joker many times over the years. Sometimes, she goes off with Poison Ivy. Sometimes, she's part of the Suicide Squad. She's never quite heroic, as that would make her lose her edge, and her popularity is intrinsically tied to the idea that she's the spunky, wacky, psycho edgy hot chick that will cut someone who gives her a side eye. She's no Superman and if she were, the girls at Hot Topic wouldn't dig her as much and get tattoos of her and cosplay as the character.

Recently, even more than ever, Harley's also taken on a responsibility of becoming a women's empowerment vessel. She's kind of a "hear me roar" character, lately, taking on the whole support of representing all women who are fighting back from their abusive husbands/boyfriends/etc and kicking ass no matter who they offend (as if that's offensive to stand up for yourself and get out of a bad spot).

Isn't the ultimate win that she'd kill Joker? She's a murderer, so she's not breaking her code and losing anything. This would be the only way she'd never go back to him (even if she might regret it and miss him later, which would be a backtrack for her independence), but she'd at least have made that decision to try to do that knowing she could never go back.

I think there's a very, very strong case that if Joker were to die, Harley has to be the one to do it.

Jim Gordon = No

It's funny that Commissioner Gordon is always one to remind Batman not to cross the line by killing anyone, yet he's a cop. Cops do shoot and kill people if need be—sometimes, not even if it's necessary, unfortunately.

I always find it interesting when people have no issue having Gordon shoot some thug in a story, only to then say no one should kill Two-Face or Zsasz or someone. We know it's because they're actual characters, but it just makes no sense.

Logically, Gordon and any other cop should have shot Joker the first time he was doing any of his awful things and that would be the end of it. That's what would happen in real life. Magnify that by an exponential amount when you remember that Joker's paralyzed his daughter and shot/killed Sarah Essen. Any father and husband would be justified in killing Joker for retaliation.

But isn't that blah? The person to kill Joker is Gordon? It just doesn't fit in my mind.

Lock-Up, Azrael, or Another Punisher-Style Vigilante = No

This is quick. Should some random vigilante or person who is more willing to kill in general just take out Joker, like Punisher would?

No. That would be lame. If Azrael was the one to kill Joker, people would feel like it was wasted.

One of His Goons = No

Working for Penguin must be okay. He seems level-headed and you can even get a job as a server for the Iceberg Lounge. Being under the employ of Riddler is probably annoying as he tasks you to set up elaborate traps and continually talks about how he's smarter than you, but I'd imagine you could manage. Ra's al Ghul followers are supremely dedicated to his cause and would gladly give their lives for the league.

If you find yourself working for Joker, though? Forget about it. That guy can decide any random moment to carve your face off just for a laugh. He perpetually kills his allies to prove a point and you can never, ever be safe around him. Even if you stop working for him, he could just kill you because you know too much.

Maybe someone decides that at some moment when Joker has his back turned, they'll just shoot him. That's it. One shot to the head, he's dead, and now they don't have to worry about any of his insanity.

Perhaps this is even a plot to overthrow him and become the next big bad in Gotham. It likely wouldn't work, as Batman has more trouble with Joker than anyone else, so some random dude with a pistol wouldn't be as big of a threat, but that's beside the point.

That's also why I don't think this would be a good story to tell. There's one interesting element to it, which is the parallel that Thomas and Martha were gunned down by "some punk with a gun" and Joker, for all his theatrics, could fall victim to the same thing. But once you establish this new character as an imposing force for being "the one who killed Joker" and he's taken down by Batman, what else does that character have to offer?

A Civilian = Maybe?

Imagine after all the crazy antics and the grandiose displays of murder, the off-the-wall crimes that are so lavish and over-the-top that they require giant responses to them and go down in history as legends, where every single thing is building up to some great crescendo...if Joker just gets killed by some dude.

Not even a criminal. Not a rival psycho. Not a cop. Not Batman. A nobody.

Joker's killed hundreds. He's ruined families. There should be no end to the amount of people who would gleefully attack him if they saw him in public, hoping to murder him and make sure he doesn't do that to anyone else. Some people would be doing that in a joint murder/suicide fashion, while others would consider it a public service.

It would be kind of fitting if Joker's great work of art wasn't finished because "some punk with a gun" got him, similar to how Joe Chill killed Thomas and Martha. I like the idea a lot and the only argument I can think of that goes against it is that you can't track that person anymore, similar to the goon idea. Once they kill Joker and deal with the immediate repercussions of that, their story is done.

Joker Kills Himself = Yes?

In The Dark Knight Returns, Joker meets his end by snapping his own neck. Joker could always die as a result of his own plans backfiring, too. I think it's a strong, strong discussion to have that this could be the way he goes. That way, no one gets their hands dirty, but everyone can say they have their moments where they wish they could have killed Joker, even if they don't know if they would have done it if they did have the opportunity.

In a way, Joker wins and loses in this scenario. He loses his life, naturally, but he wins by not giving anyone the satisfaction. Maybe that's worth a laugh.

THE FINAL VERDICT

It's down to suicide, Harley Quinn, or a random civilian in my mind. I lean more toward the first two. If I had to make a pick based on this discussion, though, I think I'd go Harley Quinn for an active killer of someone else pulling the trigger, but I'd give a slight edge to suicide (planned or not) with Joker being responsible for his own death.

However, I'll tease something that I'll get into somewhere else in the future: the way Joker dies in my version of the story is none of these options. What am I talking about? What Batman story? Here's hoping I get to tell The Batman Blueprint at some point and you'll have to find out more about that some other time.

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What Hammer Should Beta Ray Bill Use Instead of Stormbreaker in the MCU?

Posted by Anthony Mango - Tuesday, June 9, 2020

This is a random topic that I've wanted to get around to since Avengers: Infinity War came out, but it still remains open for discussion: since Thor was given a hammer/axe combo that was dubbed Stormbreaker, what hammer should Beta Ray Bill use if he ever appears for the Marvel Cinematic Universe?

The way I see it, they have three options, with some variables within them.

Beta Ray Bill Marvel Cinematic Universe
Beta Ray Bill pictured with Stormbreaker, which looks nothing like the one in the MCU, of course.

Option 1 - Stormbreaker


The MCU is no stranger to changing comics continuity. Sometimes, it's for the better (in my opinion) with things like Tony Stark being the one to create Ultron. Other times, it's a mistake, like their first attempt at The Mandarin.

Some people are adamant that Beta Ray Bill still gets Stormbreaker, even though it wouldn't make a lot of sense for Thor to go back to "the little one" in Mjolnir for multiple reasons—not the least of which is that it was supposedly restored back to its original timeline by Captain America at the conclusion of Endgame.

But maybe Bill gets a version of Stormbreaker from another universe/dimension. It seems that's where a lot of these other movies are heading with Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Wandavision, so what if that's their excuse?

Maybe he doesn't even have a name for his weapon and they play Bill off as goofy in a sense like they like to make most of their characters. After he hears that Thor calls his weapon that name, he likes the name and adopts it for himself, despite Thor protesting that he can't do that, as that's his axe's name.

Or maybe Thor ends up with another weapon and passes Stormbreaker onto Bill. I don't think that's the best option, but it could theoretically happen.

Option 2 - Jarnbjorn


Just as they took the name Stormbreaker and applied it to a different weapon, why not do the same with another?

Jarnbjorn is an axe Thor wields from time to time. It's purely an axe, though, without the hammer side.

Of course, that's just in the comics. But in the comics, Ghost isn't the daughter of Egghead and an Ant-Man villain, nor was Ego the Living Planet the father of Star-Lord. Things change.

The likelihood that they'll ever spend time having Chris Hemsworth as Thor wielding just a pure axe like Jarnbjorn is so low that they could get away with using that name for Beta Ray Bill's weapon and only the die-hard fans would notice. Casuals certainly wouldn't have an idea who Bill is to begin with, let alone the discrepancies about the weaponry. Hell, most people can't even pronounce Mjolnir and just call it "Thor's hammer" anyway.

Option 3 - Thunderstrike


One thing I'm disappointed in with the MCU is that they never utilized the Donald Blake pseudonym. In the first film, he could have easily used that moniker while he was walking around Earth and trying to be a normal person, but they tossed it aside as a different gag with Jane Foster's ex who is seemingly still out there somewhere.

Eric Masterson isn't going to be a thing, either. It's just not going to happen. So let's have Thor use that name as his pseudonym on Earth when he's trying to be a little inconspicuous.

Then, that frees up Thunderstrike to be used. Since it won't have to be a superhero name and it was both that and Masterson's weapon, how about giving that to Bill? For that matter, he could even use the mace instead of the hammer/axe combo to help differentiate it from Thor's Stormbreaker.

What would you like to see happen with Beta Ray Bill and his weapon, whatever its called, in the future of the MCU? Keep the discussion going in the comments section below!

X-Men Characters Who Should Not Be Mutants

Posted by Anthony Mango - Monday, June 10, 2019

The X-Men series is equal parts some of the best storytelling in the superhero genre, with absolutely marvelous (no pun intended) characters who have incredible depth and nuance, as well as 50% "what the hell is this doing in this story?"

Like all comics that have been around for so many decades, the creators and writers took it in so many different directions that pretty much everything has been done at some point, and in my mind, a lot of it shouldn't have been.

To me, X-Men is best when its core is simple, and it can be expanded on in more philosophical ways. By that, I mean the foundational structure of the series is the mutant phenomenon and how life is like when you're different.

There are so many ways to tell the story of "the troubles of being different from the norm" because there are so many variations to what "different" means. Some mutants have a physical deformity and can't blend into normal society by sheer looks alone. Others have troublesome powers that prevent them from getting close to people, or makes others afraid of them.

It's all about alienation and how the "regular people" or the "average citizen" would be scared, inhibited, confused, discriminatory, aggressive toward, or, hey, even excited about the mutants.

But this is all muddied up when the X-Men series crosses over with the regular Marvel universe. Why would people be up in arms over mutants, but have no issues with Thor, Captain America, Spider-Man (save for J. Jonah Jameson, of course) and others who have powers? They're still superhuman and there's no way you can say Angel poses more of a threat to the human race than The Fantastic 4.

And that got me thinking a long while back on the idea of the reverse: characters from the X-Men series who would probably work even better if they were NOT mutants, but just regular members of the Marvel Universe similar to Iron Man and Luke Cage.

So now that Dark Phoenix has this even more at the forefront of my mind, I present to you my unofficial list of X-Men characters who should not be in the X-Men series, should not be mutants, and so on.


Note: I'm well aware some of these characters are not actually mutants themselves, but the general idea I'm going with is "characters who should be used in other series in Marvel other than the X-Men series and some of them shouldn't be mutants even in other context" which is not a snappy title.

Everything Alien and Magic

As a general rule of thumb, I don't think anything about the alien or magic side of the X-Men series should be in it—at least, not in that context.

I want my X-Men to be like Beast—one of the absolute best characters in this series. He's very clearly a mutant based on his appearance, but he also has major benefits that come about from that, with his increased strength, agility, and senses. Even more so, he's not entirely defined by his appearance, because he's pretty much "the smart guy" on the team, and that goes to show how he's more than his looks.

Give me Stacy X (although I'd much prefer her being named X-Stacy) who can use her mutation of pheromone manipulation to be the best damn prostitute out there. Give me Husk and Rogue and whatnot.

What you shouldn't give me is the Starjammers having space adventures with aliens from the Shi'ar Empire and the M'Kraan Crystal. Why, in a story about mutated humans, are we talking about the nexus of all realities in the cosmos? And yes, that means the Phoenix Force should not be a thing. I know that's controversial, but there's no reason why Jean Grey can't just be a super powerful mutant with D.I.D. or whatever, rather than being a vessel for all the life that has and ever will exist in the multiverse.

Instead, all of those aliens should just be regular alien races in the Marvel universe, without being factored into the X-Men series. Gladiator shouldn't be more of an X-Men character, he should be more of an Avengers character.

What the hell is Mojo World? Everything revolving around Mojo sounds like it was a backdoor pilot introduced in X-Men that they were hoping would be its own corner of the Marvel Universe completely unrelated. And you know what? That's what it should be. The whole Mojoverse story idea with Longshot and the Running Man sort of television series works better as a general Avengers plotline than the X-Men. Shatterstar, too, of course.

And this goes for the magic side of things, too. Juggernaut should not have anything in his origin based on demons from other realities. More on him later. The same for Scarlet Witch.

Lockheed shouldn't be an actual pet dragon that hangs around Kitty Pryde. That makes no sense. That's like the type of thing you'd hear a studio executive say when they're looking at notes of how to get viewers on the 5th season of a sitcom. "What if she had like, a pet? People like pets. I know, a dragon! That'll sell lots of toys! And then, we can introduce Cousin Oliver!" Instead, Lockheed should be her childhood stuffed animal, or maybe the name of her normal cat or pet lizard or something. Not a magical dragon.

Sorry Magik. You don't have magic powers. In fact, you probably don't need to exist at all (like 90% of the telepaths and such).

Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Juggernaut

So let's dig into these, as I mentioned them with the magic side of things.

Nothing at all makes sense with Juggernaut being in the X-Men series with the backstory he's been given, and there are three possible ways to get around that to make a better version of the character:

1. Cain Marko is Xavier's stepbrother and is jealous of his powers, so he undergoes experimentation with mutant blood/genetics/whatever and ends up Juggernaut. He himself isn't a mutant, but he's powered by mutants.

2. Cain Marko is whoever (it doesn't matter if he's related to Xavier) and he is a mutant with exactly the same powers as Juggernaut. His origin is simplified. He's just a mutant, like in X-Men: The Last Stand, but...you know...not a horrible movie.

3. Cain Marko is whoever. He's completely unrelated to the X-Men series and he receives his powers through whatever means you want, and is an Avengers villain, rather than an X-Men villain.

And since we're on the topic of magic not having a place in the X-Men series, that means Scarlet Witch, too. But her character, as well as Quicksilver, is even more complicated, as their backstories are all over the place.

There's already a history of them being in the Avengers, so that's good, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe has gone a long way in the right direction (in my mind) in steering the Maximoff twins away from the X-Men franchise, but the idea of their lineage is where some fans get in a tizzy.

For a long while, Magneto was their dad. That's even the case with the Michael Fassbender and Evan Peters versions of the characters in the three most recent films. Frankly, I say toss that aside in favor of some of the other explanations of their characters.

The Inhumans, to me, are just "poor man's X-Men" and something that shouldn't exist, for the most part, at all. In fact, it should be merged with the X-Men franchise in some fashion. More on the concept of merging further down this post. But I say, don't make them Inhumans, either.

Products from the High Evolutionary is a much better explanation that I'd like to see them stick to. Make it so they were created out of experimentation with science (Pietro) and magic (Wanda) to explain their powers and make them just regular, non-mutants, because there's nothing inherently "mutant" about someone like Quicksilver, in particular. He's just fast. That sounds more like an Avenger than an X-Man. And Scarlet Witch is in a world with too many telepaths as it is, so taking her out of the franchise and making her more along the lines of the marriage between a Professor X and Doctor Strange is more up my alley.

Storm

Woah. I know. Hold on there. Don't crucify me. Let me explain.

Storm is too good for how she's used in the X-Men series, which is hampering her growth considerably.

She's constantly being overtaken by other people in her roles. For instance, she's a great team leader, but she serves no purpose when Professor X, Beast and Cyclops are around, because Xavier is the philosophical one, Beast is, in many ways, the Vice Principal, and Cyclops is the field leader. What does Storm get to do?

She isn't the troubled youngster. That's Rogue, in some incarnations, or Jubilee, or Kitty Pryde, or Dazzler, or whatever. It's never Storm. She's not the funny one. She's not the crass one. She's not the tough one. She's just this super awesome character who happens to always be pushed aside.

You can get the sisterhood relationship that comes about with herself and Jean Grey by replacing Storm with one of the other women, namely Rogue. If she's out of this franchise, you don't have to worry about nerfing her powers, as she's too OP for most fights and they always have to just treat her like she doesn't know what she's doing.

There's nothing "mutant" about her. She's a beautiful woman who has her head on straight, can command respect, lead her troops, present great moral code and tear the house down with her INSANE superpowers.

If Storm were not a mutant, and were just a regular character in the Marvel Universe, she could be Marvel's equivalent of Wonder Woman: a symbol of female empowerment who is one of the top foremost members of the Avengers on par with the other big guns like Thor and Iron Man, who can not only help out with massive threats like Galactus, but also be such a damn good humanitarian.

Imagine Storm, without the baggage of being a mutant and having to play fifth-fiddle to other team members, booked (wrestling term) as someone who is an A-lister on the power spectrum like Sentry and who spends her time doing things like trying to correct the ecosystem because of how connected she is to Earth and mankind as a whole.

We need this version of Storm, not the character who is always pushed aside in favor of Wolverine and others, who are also great, but never make room for her.

Arcade

While Arcade is not a mutant, nor even an X-Men exclusive character, it seems like he hovers around that franchise more than anything. But there's no reason for him to be tied to that series so much, rather than maybe only guest starring in one story.

I imagine it this way: Arcade's Murderworld is like an underground fighting league, mixed with a carnival, but on steroids. He creates these elaborate traps and this amusement park with robots and everything that is customary with the character, and his targets are based on contracts that could be anything at all.

For the most part, it's not related to the X-Men. He can capture Spider-Man and put him through the games after Norman Osborn hires him to do so. The same could happen to Daredevil, or Jessica Jones (ooooh that would be interesting), or Wonder Man, or Ant-Man!!

Just as much, someone with an anti-mutant agenda could hire him to take out a bunch of mutants, and that's where one story of the X-Men comes into play. But that would be one story, or a few random ones at times, rather than happening on such a regular basis.

The Sentinels

Just kidding! I wanted to see who was paying attention. There's no way these aren't still in this series. They're a staple.

Forge

What a horrible life to live when you're a mutant who has the curse of being able to understand technology really well and be super good at engineering.

WTF? How does that work? "Being good at machines" isn't a mutation, that's a skill! He's just Tony Stark without having to think about it, which is less impressive.

Forge shouldn't be a character with a "power" at all, because he should just be a regular member of S.H.I.E.L.D. or something who happens to be damn smart with technology. There's absolutely no justification behind him being a mutant.

The only way I could accept Forge being a mutant is if a byproduct of this "power" was that he could control machines, like his brain was constantly connected to the internet and he could communicate telepathically with electrical interfaces and whatnot. Then, sure, you can make him someone who struggles to interact with people unless he's talking to them via social media or through a screen, and he could have trouble understanding social cues because humans are tough to read, but machines are simpler.

Just being able to tinker around with mechanical devices, though, isn't a mutation or power.

Thunderbird, Warpath, Proudstar, etc

If your character is broken down as "Captain America, but (insert another ethnicity or country allegiance)" who is basically just a regular human, but at the athletic level of someone who is maxing out their potential, you're not a mutant.

Just look at the Proudstar brothers. John's powers are listed as "superhuman senses, strength, speed, stamina, and studiness / trained unarmed and hand-to-hand combatant." Being trained in combat isn't a power, and having heightened normal abilities is just Captain America.

James/Warpath has the same things. He's a "skilled hunter and tracker"—nothing superhuman. He's got the same bump up in senses and strength and all. He uses vibranium knives, which anyone can use. The only difference is that he's got an enhanced healing factor and flight, and that's just not cutting it for me.

Instead of having two variations of this character and having him in the X-Men franchise, they should've just trimmed him down to "the Native American equivalent of Steve Rogers" and called it a day.

And that helps transition us into a final topic that was previously alluded to...

Franklin Richards

In an update from November 2020, they've retconned Franklin Richards to not be a mutant anymore and I'm super down for that idea. I didn't include him on this list originally because he's not an X-Men character, but I figured I'd mention it here.

On the Concept of Merging...

There are far too many characters who have the same exact purpose, too similar powers, or just serve no fundamental purpose for having multiple versions of. Unless one of them is a villain, there's no need to have two of the same thing.

I couldn't possibly begin to list everything, because telepaths alone are in the hundreds at this point, it seems, which all just takes away from characters like Xavier and Jean, who would be considered more special if there weren't dozens of other equivalents around.

For instance, Emma Frost is just an answer for the question "what if we had a sexy Professor X, but didn't want to use Jean Grey?" Yes, she's a villain, and yes, she has her diamond abilities, but that illustrates even more how she should just be a villain who can turn her skin into diamond form, as opposed to a telepath.

Controversial point of view, but I think since Jean Grey has never stuck to a codename, she and Psylocke should be merged together. This would help with Jean's lack of a physical power to help in battles, since she could have the psychic energy blades, and the name works with her powers, too (she's locked in her psyche).

Morph is just a lame version of Mystique. Maybe you can make the case that he's on the good side and she's a villain, so they can serve different roles, but at most, those are your TWO shapeshifting characters you need. No more.

Who needs Polaris when you have Magneto? Just because they wanted to give him a daughter?

Pyro. Sunfire. Sunspot. Firestar. Basically, "fire control." Okay. I know that there are differences, like Sunfire being more on the radiation side of things, but that's where they should make the differences more unique and distinct.

Siryn is just basically Banshee, but in daughter form. You only need one of them.

With just a few tweaks, there isn't much different from Jubilee and Dazzler. When you boil them down, one is a teenage girl who can make fireworks and the other is a teenage girl who makes fireworks. The differences is are in their ethnicity, Dazzler is a singer and that's how she converts sound into light, while Jubilee shoots them out of her hands. You can easily just make that one character who is a combo. Give her the codename of Dazzler, nickname her Jubilee after her full name of Jubilation Lee Blaire (mixture of Jubilation Lee and Alison "Ali" Blaire) and have her be an Asian teenage girl who can control and create light by doing things like turning her singing talent into a light show or shooting fireworks from her hands. Hell, if you want to change things up a bit more, change her from Chinese to Korean and have her be in a K-pop band. It's not that hard to cover all bases with minimal characters.

And that's just scratching the surface!

I am by no means an expert who can name you all the variations of all the characters that have been introduced. I know nothing of Rockslide and Hellion. I can't tell you everyone who has ever been in Alpha Flight. But I do know that there is a TON of clutter in the X-Men franchise and if this were a computer being defragged, a lot could be cleaned up.

But what do you have to say on the subject? Are there other characters you feel would be better off not being in the X-Men series and either being merged or made just parts of the regular Marvel universe? Drop a comment below and tell me what you think!

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